Comments on: Orhan Pamuk: a true hero of our times! http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/orhan-pamuka-true-hero-of-our-times/ Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:08:32 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: An alien Earthling http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/orhan-pamuka-true-hero-of-our-times/#comment-1302 An alien Earthling Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:46:49 +0000 http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-1302 You're welcome, Rainjazzed :-) It's not just ignorance, for ignorance is no excuse in the internet age. Even if people know what's happening, they deliberately choose to support crimes and cruelty, completely unaware that their complicity in crimes will definitely come back to haunt all of them individually and collectively at a later stage :neutral: You’re welcome, Rainjazzed :-)

It’s not just ignorance, for ignorance is no excuse in the internet age. Even if people know what’s happening, they deliberately choose to support crimes and cruelty, completely unaware that their complicity in crimes will definitely come back to haunt all of them individually and collectively at a later stage :neutral:

]]> By: An alien Earthling http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/orhan-pamuka-true-hero-of-our-times/#comment-1301 An alien Earthling Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:38:20 +0000 http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-1301 True, Malar. Journalists from the "mainstream media" are usually lowly people who have absolutely no knowledge or wisdom. They have zero understanding of words like ethics or civilised behaviour. Voracious boot-licking of the establishment crooks are what they are good at. This is especially true in the semi-civilised Third World. True, Malar. Journalists from the “mainstream media” are usually lowly people who have absolutely no knowledge or wisdom. They have zero understanding of words like ethics or civilised behaviour. Voracious boot-licking of the establishment crooks are what they are good at. This is especially true in the semi-civilised Third World.

]]> By: rainjazzed http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/orhan-pamuka-true-hero-of-our-times/#comment-1300 rainjazzed Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:38:59 +0000 http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-1300 Thank you for the article, Earthling. I am reading one of his novels now , "New Life", and I really really like it. I agree that he is a hero, and not only for Turkey but the rest of the world, for motivating many others to speak up against taboos and injustices in the world so that cruelty would not happen again. Ignorance is probably the biggest reason why The Genocide in Darfur is ongoing and why genocides can happen again and again. After all, Hitler said to his generals when issuing the order to kill the Jews "After all, who now remembers the Armenians". I am also glad that Orhan Pamuk is not the only one in Turkey who has and his speaking up. Thank you for the article, Earthling.
I am reading one of his novels now , “New Life”, and I really really like it.
I agree that he is a hero, and not only for Turkey but the rest of the world, for motivating many others to speak up against taboos and injustices in the world so that cruelty would not happen again. Ignorance is probably the biggest reason why The Genocide in Darfur is ongoing and why genocides can happen again and again.
After all, Hitler said to his generals when issuing the order to kill the Jews “After all, who now remembers the Armenians”.
I am also glad that Orhan Pamuk is not the only one in Turkey who has and his speaking up.

]]> By: malarthamil http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/orhan-pamuka-true-hero-of-our-times/#comment-1066 malarthamil Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:24:35 +0000 http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-1066 Lies are generated from the Ignorance about the History. The writers have a capacity to travel in to the past and find out what was not recorded. Journalists of mainstream media writing the current affairs have no such capacity and cannot understand the truth exposed by the writers. The dynamics of media is decided by the economy and its support to the present establishment in politics and government. The media always promote a false national pride and attach itself to such pseudo patriotism to defend its own mistakes. Any writer or even a journalist opposing such media and establishment risks his own life. This happens everywhere in the world. Lies are generated from the Ignorance about the History. The writers have a capacity to travel in to the past and find out what was not recorded. Journalists of mainstream media writing the current affairs have no such capacity and cannot understand the truth exposed by the writers. The dynamics of media is decided by the economy and its support to the present establishment in politics and government. The media always promote a false national pride and attach itself to such pseudo patriotism to defend its own mistakes. Any writer or even a journalist opposing such media and establishment risks his own life. This happens everywhere in the world.

]]> By: An alien Earthling http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/orhan-pamuka-true-hero-of-our-times/#comment-665 An alien Earthling Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:35:17 +0000 http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-665 Cristina, Thanks for your comment! :-) Okay, let us assume that he is a good writer who has his share of critics. But how does that affect the truth about events that happened in Türkiye? I don't think I'm being judgemental about Türkiye and I simply don't trust the "mainstream media" either. You believe it is too cruel to compare the events in Türkiye to those that took place in Germany and South Africa. I don't think so. The Armenian genocide and killing of Kurds are not mere myths or exaggerations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people_in_Turkey While Germany and South Africa have atleast come to terms with the horrible events that happened in the past, Türkiye refuses to do so and instead punishes anyone who dares to speak about it! And that is what makes Orhan Pamuk a true hero! :-) Cristina,

Thanks for your comment! :-)

Okay, let us assume that he is a good writer who has his share of critics. But how does that affect the truth about events that happened in Türkiye?

I don’t think I’m being judgemental about Türkiye and I simply don’t trust the “mainstream media” either.

You believe it is too cruel to compare the events in Türkiye to those that took place in Germany and South Africa. I don’t think so. The Armenian genocide and killing of Kurds are not mere myths or exaggerations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people_in_Turkey

While Germany and South Africa have atleast come to terms with the horrible events that happened in the past, Türkiye refuses to do so and instead punishes anyone who dares to speak about it! And that is what makes Orhan Pamuk a true hero! :-)

]]> By: Cristina http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/orhan-pamuka-true-hero-of-our-times/#comment-662 Cristina Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:30:43 +0000 http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-662 Well, yes I have read his books (in Italian and French). He may be a good writer but not for all. After Nobel, no one would like to listen to bad critics at all. Don't you see that there's a politic games behind this things? How easily you believe to what a writer say just because he's in front of you. Have you ever met people who lives in that country from different ethnicity? If you did not, I suggest you to not judge. Well, comparing Turkey's situation to Germany or South Africa seems too cruel to me. After all we have to inform ourselves more about the real history but specially politics. And not listen to what Media says to us. No one would like to listen to Turks now. Cause regarding your point of view if you are a Turk you can not express the opposite thoughts. Sorry for them; cause even they will yell the truth, no one would believe them. Oh, by the way I am not Turk. : ) Italo-French. ps: True hero? Just read him once, go to that country, speak with non Turks and then judge. And never trust to media! Well, yes I have read his books (in Italian and French). He may be a good writer but not for all. After Nobel, no one would like to listen to bad critics at all.

Don’t you see that there’s a politic games behind this things? How easily you believe to what a writer say just because he’s in front of you. Have you ever met people who lives in that country from different ethnicity? If you did not, I suggest you to not judge.

Well, comparing Turkey’s situation to Germany or South Africa seems too cruel to me. After all we have to inform ourselves more about the real history but specially politics. And not listen to what Media says to us.

No one would like to listen to Turks now. Cause regarding your point of view if you are a Turk you can not express the opposite thoughts. Sorry for them; cause even they will yell the truth, no one would believe them.

Oh, by the way I am not Turk. : ) Italo-French.

ps: True hero? Just read him once, go to that country, speak with non Turks and then judge. And never trust to media!

]]> By: Raj http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/orhan-pamuka-true-hero-of-our-times/#comment-124 Raj Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:59:25 +0000 http://analienearthling.wordpress.com/?p=55#comment-124 Uha1, Thanks for expressing a different opinion. I believe you are a Turk and so you would have read Orhan Pamuk's works in Türkçe. Unfortunately, I have not read any of his works so far. I will as soon as possible though. You mentioned that Orhan is not a historian. That may be true, but he was married to Aylin Turegen, a historian till their divorce. So I think he does know some history. Also, history does not belong to historians just as literature does not belong to writers and science does not belong to scientists. Anyone can speak about those things. I am not saying that I know Turkish history as I know very little about the history of Türkiye except a few bits and pieces. But I think if a person like Orhan Pamuk says something even at the cost of finding himself in prison, he really wants Türkiye to come to terms with its past. Many countries like Germany, South Africa and more recently, Australia, have come to terms with their past and those countries are only the better for it. I hope not just Türkiye, but every country in the world that has had a troubled past, including my own country, comes to terms with its past so that everyone in those countries can have a bright future! Uha1,

Thanks for expressing a different opinion. I believe you are a Turk and so you would have read Orhan Pamuk’s works in Türkçe. Unfortunately, I have not read any of his works so far. I will as soon as possible though.

You mentioned that Orhan is not a historian. That may be true, but he was married to Aylin Turegen, a historian till their divorce. So I think he does know some history.

Also, history does not belong to historians just as literature does not belong to writers and science does not belong to scientists. Anyone can speak about those things.

I am not saying that I know Turkish history as I know very little about the history of Türkiye except a few bits and pieces.

But I think if a person like Orhan Pamuk says something even at the cost of finding himself in prison, he really wants Türkiye to come to terms with its past.

Many countries like Germany, South Africa and more recently, Australia, have come to terms with their past and those countries are only the better for it.

I hope not just Türkiye, but every country in the world that has had a troubled past, including my own country, comes to terms with its past so that everyone in those countries can have a bright future!

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